Comments on: Tachanun on Yom Ha’Atzmaut http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/tachanun-on-yom-haatzmaut/ Random thoughts of a random chappy Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:41:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: chaim chossid http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/tachanun-on-yom-haatzmaut/#comment-152 chaim chossid Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:01:15 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-152 With regards to the previous comment, is it true that many people celebrate Yom Ha'atzmaut religiously whilst not celebrating other Yomim Tovim? Surely the parties and barbeques are not religious and I am not sure whether they are particular to daven specially. I would say that they treat it as secular. It is still not good but they don't try giving it Kedushah. With regards to the previous comment, is it true that many people celebrate Yom Ha’atzmaut religiously whilst not celebrating other Yomim Tovim?
Surely the parties and barbeques are not religious and I am not sure whether they are particular to daven specially.
I would say that they treat it as secular. It is still not good but they don’t try giving it Kedushah.

]]> By: Mr Secretary http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/tachanun-on-yom-haatzmaut/#comment-120 Mr Secretary Thu, 08 May 2008 16:58:03 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-120 The question of celebrating Yom Ha'atzmaut in general has exercised the Charedi world since 1948. Today we have communities which go the full distance and use the Machzor LeYom Ha'atzmaut (or the service as printed in the Siddur Rimat Yisrael) which includes Hallel - some with a Bracha, some without. There are those who dress in sackcloth (over their regular long coats, it is supposed to be in place of not over) as seen in Ramat Bet Shemes Bet today and there are those who follow soething of a middle way. As you well know, the previous Rav of your Shul refused, for many years, to acknowledge the day at all. Yet there was no more an ardent Ohev Eretz Yisrael than him in the world. This changed a number of years ago and he devised a unique approach to the day. This included the Prayer for the State of Israel, the Prayer for Tzahal, the Keil Mole Rachamim for those lost in both the Shoa and in the wars in Israel as well as three very appropriate chapters of Tehillim. But this Rav refused to budge on the matter of the saying of Tachanun (although he did agree not to say Tachanun on Yom Yerushalayim). The reasoning went something along the lines that the actual Declaration of Independance was, in itself, not a miracle, was immediately followed by mass Chilul Shabbat and the loss of life in the fighting that followed. (In fact I saw a similar occurance when I was in Yerushalayim once on Yom Yerushalayim where two people nearly came to blows in Shul over whether to say Tachanun or Hallel) As far as Hallel is concerned, the view taken seems to be that saying Hallel wirhout a Bracha is ok as it is no more than the recitation of Tehillim. However, adding a Bracha is far more problematic Halachically. We have laid down in the Gemarrah the days when Hallel is recited. Adding additional occasions presents difficulties and therefore many do not say the Bracha on Yom Ha'atzmaut, nor, for that matter, on Yom Yerushalayim where far more recognise the miracle aspect of the day. The bottom line is not necessarily whether one says Tachanun or not or whether one says Hallel or not but how does one view the day and its celebrations in Israel. it is distictly strange that there are so many Israelis wh celebrate Yom Ha'atzmaut religiously with a special service, a holday, trip to the beach, barbeque etc but for whom our other Chagim mean very little. To all reading this response - CHAG SAMEACH! The question of celebrating Yom Ha’atzmaut in general has exercised the Charedi world since 1948. Today we have communities which go the full distance and use the Machzor LeYom Ha’atzmaut (or the service as printed in the Siddur Rimat Yisrael) which includes Hallel – some with a Bracha, some without. There are those who dress in sackcloth (over their regular long coats, it is supposed to be in place of not over) as seen in Ramat Bet Shemes Bet today and there are those who follow soething of a middle way. As you well know, the previous Rav of your Shul refused, for many years, to acknowledge the day at all. Yet there was no more an ardent Ohev Eretz Yisrael than him in the world. This changed a number of years ago and he devised a unique approach to the day. This included the Prayer for the State of Israel, the Prayer for Tzahal, the Keil Mole Rachamim for those lost in both the Shoa and in the wars in Israel as well as three very appropriate chapters of Tehillim. But this Rav refused to budge on the matter of the saying of Tachanun (although he did agree not to say Tachanun on Yom Yerushalayim). The reasoning went something along the lines that the actual Declaration of Independance was, in itself, not a miracle, was immediately followed by mass Chilul Shabbat and the loss of life in the fighting that followed. (In fact I saw a similar occurance when I was in Yerushalayim once on Yom Yerushalayim where two people nearly came to blows in Shul over whether to say Tachanun or Hallel)

As far as Hallel is concerned, the view taken seems to be that saying Hallel wirhout a Bracha is ok as it is no more than the recitation of Tehillim. However, adding a Bracha is far more problematic Halachically. We have laid down in the Gemarrah the days when Hallel is recited. Adding additional occasions presents difficulties and therefore many do not say the Bracha on Yom Ha’atzmaut, nor, for that matter, on Yom Yerushalayim where far more recognise the miracle aspect of the day.

The bottom line is not necessarily whether one says Tachanun or not or whether one says Hallel or not but how does one view the day and its celebrations in Israel. it is distictly strange that there are so many Israelis wh celebrate Yom Ha’atzmaut religiously with a special service, a holday, trip to the beach, barbeque etc but for whom our other Chagim mean very little. To all reading this response – CHAG SAMEACH!

]]> By: Julian Maurer http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/tachanun-on-yom-haatzmaut/#comment-119 Julian Maurer Sun, 04 May 2008 18:04:49 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-119 I think it is fair to say that the Shul at least tolerates both sides of the community - those of which who wish to continue saying Tachanun and those who do not. I look forward to seeing the reaction on Thursday morning. Regardless there should be a nice Kiddush after Shacharis in Shul which I am sponsoring! I think it is fair to say that the Shul at least tolerates both sides of the community – those of which who wish to continue saying Tachanun and those who do not. I look forward to seeing the reaction on Thursday morning. Regardless there should be a nice Kiddush after Shacharis in Shul which I am sponsoring!

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