Comments on: The London Eruv http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/ Random thoughts of a random chappy Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:41:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: ASKAN http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-140 ASKAN Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:14:28 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-140 What is the legal status of CPO's nowadays. Does a local council still have rights to purhase property against the express will of the owners What is the legal status of CPO’s nowadays. Does a local council still have rights to purhase property against the express will of the owners

]]> By: Joey http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-123 Joey Fri, 16 May 2008 16:59:59 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-123 Your response about eruvs in other large cities. The Toronto Eruv was overhauled by Rabbi Shlomo Miller [recently interviewed in Mishpacha and considered one of the major American halachic authorities]. He operates in the opposite direction from the "glossy booklet". He says that those who really listen to him should know that it is far better not to utilise the Eruv. Your response about eruvs in other large cities.
The Toronto Eruv was overhauled by Rabbi Shlomo Miller [recently interviewed in Mishpacha and considered one of the major American halachic authorities]. He operates in the opposite direction from the “glossy booklet”. He says that those who really listen to him should know that it is far better not to utilise the Eruv.

]]> By: Daniel Greenberg http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-122 Daniel Greenberg Tue, 13 May 2008 15:56:58 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-122 The situation at UK law is that there is a wide range of public and semi-public bodies who have rights of access to homes and other private places, but in each case the right is conditional on the actual or possible existence of specific circumstances. The situation at UK law is that there is a wide range of public and semi-public bodies who have rights of access to homes and other private places, but in each case the right is conditional on the actual or possible existence of specific circumstances.

]]> By: Legophile http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-121 Legophile Tue, 13 May 2008 14:44:39 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-121 To lawyers who know about eruvs: Horav Eliashiv's objection to Sechirus Reshus [renting premises from the authorities] would not apply if there is unconditional right of entry. One Sefer about the Antwerp ?Eruv states that the Belgian army can enter premises at will in all circumstances. What is the legal situation in England. In the Terrorism Act 2000 par. 42 right of entry depends on "reasonable grounds" that a terrorrist etc. is in the premises. Are there other acts governing such a situation and conferring wider powers upon the police even in the absence of "reasonable grounds" ? To lawyers who know about eruvs:
Horav Eliashiv’s objection to Sechirus Reshus [renting premises from the authorities] would not apply if there is unconditional right of entry. One Sefer about the Antwerp ?Eruv states that the Belgian army can enter premises at will in all circumstances.

What is the legal situation in England. In the Terrorism Act 2000 par. 42 right of entry depends on “reasonable grounds” that a terrorrist etc. is in the premises. Are there other acts governing such a situation and conferring wider powers upon the police even in the absence of “reasonable grounds” ?

]]> By: ade http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-105 ade Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:11:52 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-105 Please give one example of where: "...those who do use it [the eruv] villify those who wish to follow their authorities and refrain from using it." You won't find one, it's never happened. Please give one example of where:

“…those who do use it [the eruv] villify those who wish to follow their authorities and refrain from using it.”

You won’t find one, it’s never happened.

]]> By: David Levy http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-101 David Levy Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:56:59 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-101 I agree entirely with Daniel Greenberg's original comment. I also consider that this issue illustrates an age old feature of the world of Torah Judaisim and how the Orthodox world should behave. The last Mishneh, in the whole of Shass (the 6 Orders of the Mishneh) Massches Uktzin Chapter 3 Mishneh 12 says:- Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: The Holy One Blessed be He will in the future cause every righteous one to inherit 310 worlds..." In Hebrew the word for righteous (Tzaddik) is repeated. Why? According to Tosfos Yom Tov the repetition is intended to include as "righteous" both those Rabbis who rule Lechumroh (stringently) and those who rule Lekuloh (leniently) because both are motivated by their love of Torah and their intentions are pure and for the sake of Heaven. So with the Eruv, as Daniel says, each side should recognise that the other side have respectable authorities upon whom to rely and neither should those who do not wish to use the Eruv villify those who do nor should those who do use it villify those who wish to follow their authorities and refrain from using it. In regard to all issues in the Torah world where some follow a stricter authority and some follow a more lenient authority (but of course provided always that they accept Torah Min Hashamayim) (Torah from Heaven) mutual respect must be shown by each to the other. I believe that this is essential if we are to hasten the coming of the Moshiach! I agree entirely with Daniel Greenberg’s original comment.
I also consider that this issue illustrates an age old feature of the world of Torah Judaisim and how the Orthodox world should behave.
The last Mishneh, in the whole of Shass (the 6 Orders of the Mishneh) Massches Uktzin Chapter 3 Mishneh 12 says:-
Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: The Holy One Blessed be He will in the future cause every righteous one to inherit 310 worlds…” In Hebrew the word for righteous (Tzaddik) is repeated. Why? According to Tosfos Yom Tov the repetition is intended to include as “righteous” both those Rabbis who rule Lechumroh (stringently) and those who rule Lekuloh (leniently) because both are motivated by their love of Torah and their intentions are pure and for the sake of Heaven.
So with the Eruv, as Daniel says, each side should recognise that the other side have respectable authorities upon whom to rely and neither should those who do not wish to use the Eruv villify those who do nor should those who do use it villify those who wish to follow their authorities and refrain from using it. In regard to all issues in the Torah world where some follow a stricter authority and some follow a more lenient authority (but of course provided always that they accept Torah Min Hashamayim) (Torah from Heaven) mutual respect must be shown by each to the other. I believe that this is essential if we are to hasten the coming of the Moshiach!

]]> By: Daniel Greenberg http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-87 Daniel Greenberg Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:20:14 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-87 I agree with both parts of the last comment - I respect people's time and am grateful for their interest: but it is for me to decide what goes on. I agree with both parts of the last comment – I respect people’s time and am grateful for their interest: but it is for me to decide what goes on.

]]> By: ade http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-86 ade Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:51:53 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-86 You are obviously entitled to allow or disallow any comment in what is your own 'reshus hayochid', but pleaase respect the fact that a commenter may have spent time and effort in composing what he/she believes to be a contribution to the issue under discussion. You are obviously entitled to allow or disallow any comment in what is your own ‘reshus hayochid’, but pleaase respect the fact that a commenter may have spent time and effort in composing what he/she believes to be a contribution to the issue under discussion.

]]> By: Daniel Greenberg http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-81 Daniel Greenberg Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:52:51 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-81 1. The previous question probably refers to the fact that of the comments received on this posting not all have been added to the page (which is under my control). 2. The answer to the question is that no, my criterion is not whether someone agrees with me. On this and other posts there are comments shown that do not agree with my point of view. 3. But I do sometimes not post a comment if I do not like the way in which it is expressed. In one case (not on this posting) that was because it used improper language. In other cases it has been because I thought the comment was unhelpful, either because it took the debate in an irrelevant and unhelpful direction or because it might mislead people. 4. I do understand that people with un-posted comments may feel aggrieved, and I apologise for hurting their feelings. 1. The previous question probably refers to the fact that of the comments received on this posting not all have been added to the page (which is under my control).

2. The answer to the question is that no, my criterion is not whether someone agrees with me. On this and other posts there are comments shown that do not agree with my point of view.

3. But I do sometimes not post a comment if I do not like the way in which it is expressed. In one case (not on this posting) that was because it used improper language. In other cases it has been because I thought the comment was unhelpful, either because it took the debate in an irrelevant and unhelpful direction or because it might mislead people.

4. I do understand that people with un-posted comments may feel aggrieved, and I apologise for hurting their feelings.

]]> By: ade http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/the-london-eruv/#comment-80 ade Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:28:29 +0000 http://thescepticblog.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-80 What are your criteria for comments, they have to agree with you? What are your criteria for comments, they have to agree with you?

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